{"id":1653,"date":"2011-08-06T20:07:08","date_gmt":"2011-08-06T20:07:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/?page_id=1653"},"modified":"2022-02-22T10:35:43","modified_gmt":"2022-02-22T10:35:43","slug":"transportation-what-suits-best","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/?page_id=1653","title":{"rendered":"Transportation &#8211; What Suits Best"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Each to their own &#8211; a statement I keep on saying.\u00a0 In my mind there are two types of camper van owners.\u00a0 There are those that fully embrace the motorhome and its differences and there are those that maybe started out with caravans and migrated on to Motorhomes but don&#8217;t appear to utilise the differences in a Motorhome. \u00a0From a transportation point of view (that&#8217;s all we are discussing here &#8211; not the differences in functionality) it is clear in my mind &#8211; caravan owners love to park their caravans and use the towing vehicle as a means of transport to sight see around the areas they visit. \u00a0 Some Motorhome owners don&#8217;t want to &#8220;cross the bridge&#8221; as they value the flexibility of getting around without uping sticks so to speak and driving into town with the camper van.\u00a0 These folks either tow a car (and I&#8217;m not getting into the argument of A frames verses trailers) or carry a motorbike.\u00a0 The rest use their camper vans as modes of transport and carry bicycles in or on the back of the camper. \u00a0From the outset I didn&#8217;t want to tow a car as that seems to me to be putting the cart before the horse. \u00a0 \u00a0You might as well stick with a caravan. \u00a0Don&#8217;t get me wrong I can see the advantages but why go the additional expense of buying a camper van then buying a car to be towed behind it. \u00a0Many camper van owners primary car is too big or heavy to be towed behind the camper van so they end up buying a small Smart car\u00a0or similar &#8211; all adding to the overall cost of a holiday &#8211; insurance, road tax, servicing, extra ferry cost, lower fuel consumption and even additional fees on some sites.\u00a0 Not to mention being excluded from some Aires where space is a premium and reversing is problematical. \u00a0 \u00a0There are several alternative ways to address this issue\u00a0so here is how we overcame the problem.<\/p>\n<p>We started off some 40 years ago with caravans and twenty years ago made the transition to a camper van.\u00a0 \u00a0I must say\u00a0for us we struggled initially to get used to not having transport to get around. \u00a0These days we are not beachy folk like many of our friends so wherever we visit we like to look around the area rather than relax on the beach. \u00a0 This became apparent when we were assessing the viability of a camper van in the first place. \u00a0Using the last trip in our caravan when we travelled to the South of France we realised that we had travelled 1200 miles to get there, then travelled 1400 miles driving around the area and 1200 miles home &#8211; Much of the mileage travelling around while the caravan was parked up was returning to base each evening. \u00a0 \u00a0Over these 20 years we have chopped and changed trying to find the best solution &#8211; that suits us.\u00a0 We started by carrying two bicycles but ran out of puff when we reached\u00a0a hill or two.\u00a0\u00a0 I then bought a couple of electric bicycles off Ebay (I know so don&#8217;t go on about it).\u00a0 These electric bikes were a complete disaster.\u00a0 But before a get inundated with angry campers just let me say &#8211; it was all my own silly fault.\u00a0 I learnt a valuable lesson here and thankfully was able to put them back on Ebay and got my money back.<\/p>\n<p>Electric bicycles can be a brilliant form of transport under the right circumstances so a little more\u00a0just to set the record straight.\u00a0 Like all things complex, electric bikes need plenty of thought.\u00a0 My mistake was to believe that electric bikes were all the same and I didn&#8217;t consider weight, power, size of wheels, gears, frame size\u00a0and being able to get back to the camper when the battery goes down.\u00a0 The bikes I bought were heavy, (over 30kgs each) had small wheels, no gears, 180W motors\u00a0and took 8 hours to re-charge when flat.\u00a0 They were almost impossible to pedal when the power gave up.\u00a0\u00a0 Today&#8217;s offering have different modes to assit you &#8211; all power, assisted power and no power.\u00a0 But my eBay purchases were cheap.\u00a0 Moral here &#8211; you get what you pay for.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Our folding very heavy electric bikes<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/electric-bikes.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-3258\" title=\"electric bikes\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/electric-bikes.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1076\" height=\"912\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/electric-bikes.jpg 1076w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/electric-bikes-300x254.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/electric-bikes-1024x867.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1076px) 100vw, 1076px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Electric bikes can be a great asset to the camper family but do require careful thought.\u00a0 We bought to decent electric bikes &#8211; a Giant and a Haibike &#8211; both served us well and still do however the issue of not always being on EHU and not having the same setup as with the Flair charging is more problematic.\u00a0 Weight, range and simplicity are much better these days and will suit many folks.<\/p>\n<p>Moving on &#8211; after doing some further investigation I discovered that our Flair could carry 250kgs of payload in the garage and we could fit anything inside that was just over 2mtrs in length. \u00a0 With a door size of 1.4mtrs x 1.2mtrs that gave us the dimensions of our transportation.\u00a0 Deeper investigation\u00a0revealed that there were several quad bikes that would fit inside the garage without overloading the camper.<\/p>\n<p>Enter our next form of transportation &#8211; a Kymco MXU\u00a0300 RL\u00a0Quad bike. \u00a0To ease the effort in getting it inside the garage we fitted an electric winch with a remote control. \u00a0This gave us complete control and allowed us to take our time in safety when loading or unloading the quad. \u00a0 We had a Border Collie at the time who travelled with us always so a folding cage was added for him and hey presto we were mobile<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad31.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1659\" title=\"quad3\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad31.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad31.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad31-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We used the quad for around two years and while it served its purpose we never really went too far afield as its limited performance (top speed 50mph) on main roads made us feel nervous.\u00a0 We travelled over 800 miles on it so not too bad and our dog Chase really loved it.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad12.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1664\" title=\"quad1\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad12.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad12.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/quad12-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sadly in 2010 we lost our dog through a mysterious virus.\u00a0 On re-assessing\u00a0our needs again one thing was lacking &#8211;\u00a0we either took the quad OR the bicycles not both. \u00a0There were times that we wanted to cycle and times we wanted to go a bit further. \u00a0 \u00a0Again we looked around and noticed there were several scooters that would fit the bill however stability and safety when travelling in the garage became a concern. \u00a0The Piaggio MP3 maxi scooter appeared to fit the bill and would give us the performance we wanted.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5744.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1843\" title=\"IMG_5744\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5744-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5744-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5744.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0Peggy &#8211; Piaggio MP3 &#8211; 250cc<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This gave us the opportunity to carry the scooter and both bicycles and still remain below our 250kg garage floor limit.\u00a0 Enter Peggy. \u00a0\u00a0Peggy is a 250cc three wheeled Piaggio MP3 scooter with a much better performance than the quad and much better economy and with 3 wheels gave us the stability to get it in the garage still using our winch and use conventional braces and the Oxford straps for securing it inside the garage.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/Peggynkids.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1675\" title=\"Peggynkids\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/Peggynkids.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/Peggynkids.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/Peggynkids-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Peggy can carry two up and still hit over 90mph (where permitted) our family just love it as you can see.\u00a0 We are into our third year now with the scooter and have travelled over 2000 miles.\u00a0 We restrict ourselves to a radius of around 75 miles and mainly use her for nipping into the next town or staying longer and visiting places around us.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1841\" style=\"line-height: 18px; font-size: 12px;\" title=\"IMG_5746\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5746-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5746-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/IMG_5746.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The Piaggio has a pretty large boot ( over 55ltrs) and we use this space for shopping, trips to the laundry or stashing our helmets and wet weather gear.\u00a0 We incur no additional fees for the tunnel or ferry, it&#8217;s secure in the garage when we are travelling and only takes a couple of minutes to take out or put away.\u00a0 I have fitted two D rings in the roof of the garage and two D rings in the floor of the garage.\u00a0 When we had the Quad I\u00a0fitted a 2000kg working load electric winch with remote control to help pull it up the ramp and ease it out. This winch works well with the Piaggio and having 3 wheels with a locking suspension device I can just hook up and winch the scooter in same as the quad.\u00a0 The D rings and straps secure it while we are travelling.<\/p>\n<p>As I mentioned we have enough room in the garage to fit two bicycles, however I do have to remove the pedals and turn the handlebars round 90 degrees.\u00a0 Its a bit fiddly but well worth the hassle. \u00a0This arrangement is our ideal and I can&#8217;t foresee us changing anytime soon unless we change the Flair. \u00a0We use our camper all year round and my only criticism is that it can get very cold in winter. \u00a0We don&#8217;t mind the rain, in fact we don&#8217;t get wet when riding as the leg shields and windscreen keep us reasonably dry. \u00a0But the cold &#8211; well that&#8217;s a killer. \u00a0I had thought of buying one of these heated covers and a pair of heated gloves but would want a demo before laying out good money.<\/p>\n<p>I do understand that not everyone has a garage that will take a scooter but there are several rackes that can be fitted on the rear of any camper, including a nifty wheeled rack that has one swivelling wheel to support the weight of a motorbike or scooter.\u00a0 The idea is good.\u00a0 The bike still fits across the back of the camper like a bicycle rack so the overall length of the camper is only increased by just over 1 meter.\u00a0 Because\u00a0the wheel is on the ground you are not increasing the overall weight of the camper so the payload is hardly affected.\u00a0 Most of us have plenty of train weight capacity so keeping well within limits and is much cheaper when crossing the channel as many companies have special rates for trailers less than 2 mtrs long.\u00a0 Sea France, before they went bust, even costed it as a bike rack.<\/p>\n<p>Well things move on and we sold our Flair, briefly reverting to a caravan before we got the calling for another camper van.\u00a0 As mentioned on other pages here we now have the Hymer Exsis and all the above rationale came back into play and we have bought a Peugeot Metropolis and Arnitage transverse MP3 trailer (which we are in the process of modifying to suite the Peugeot)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/?attachment_id=5284\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5284\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-5284\" src=\"http:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/20220221_161636895_iOS-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"329\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/20220221_161636895_iOS-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/20220221_161636895_iOS-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/20220221_161636895_iOS-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/20220221_161636895_iOS-500x281.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 100vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Having collected our trailer I now have to work on how best to modify it to suit our needs.\u00a0 The first pressing problem is loading the Metropolis as the standard Armitage ramp is too short and the trike &#8220;bottoms out&#8221; when loading.\u00a0 Interestingly several MP3 owners have commented on this and I&#8217;m surprised that Armitages charge extra for longer ramps (given that they say it has been designed for the MP3)\u00a0 In the end is was easier than I thought.\u00a0 Using a simple 2 mtr plank of wood down the centre of the original ramp did the trick<\/p>\n<p>The second problem is that the Metropolis front wheels don&#8217;t fit into the two retaining scoops on the trailer so I need to cut them down a little.\u00a0 Again much easier than I thought with an axle grinder. I&#8217;m not convinced that the mk 2 Armitage trailer is a good answer.\u00a0 They have removed the scoops and fitted a rail across the front but I think the scoops would stop the trike from sliding while moving.<\/p>\n<p>The third problem (and this is my problem not that of original design) is that I would like to be able to load and unload the trike when not connected to the motorhome.\u00a0 This would give me the freedom to manauver the trailer when loaded when at home without running the risk of the trailer tipping over and dumping the trike on the ground.\u00a0 I intend to do this by fitting a second jockey wheel to the rear of the trailer primarily as a stabiliser but also with the ability to move it around as necessary.\u00a0 More later.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Each to their own &#8211; a statement I keep on saying.\u00a0 In my mind there are two types of camper van owners.\u00a0 There are those that fully embrace the motorhome and its differences and there are those that maybe started &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/?page_id=1653\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":161,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-1653","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1653","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1653"}],"version-history":[{"count":40,"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1653\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5286,"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1653\/revisions\/5286"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/161"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.vennwood.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1653"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}